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| THIS IS A MANGA ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING BEYOND THIS CHAPTER. ---------------------------------------- Not going to lie, that last panel is kinda funny. Never thought I'd see the day that mom and the kids are fighting on the same page even if they "share the same interests". |
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| The artist and writer must be trolling at this point. Why do all the sisters now look like they have the heads of children on adult bodies? Why are the adults making derpy faces? How in the hell with 20+ people pointing guns at Ratri is he able to grab a rifle and escape yet again? |
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 "If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
| I love how Emma and the others still call her mom |
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| Dude I don't even know what the fuck I 'm even reading anymore. This has fallen so far from the series that I've come to know and love it's legit sad. This guy's surrounded by 20 machine guns and growls like a damn bear and now he's free? What the fuck? Is the mangaka trolling us at this point? There's no way this is the same person who wrote the first arc and Goldy pond. There's no stakes anymore, there's no threats or fear. The guy unloads a full clip of machine gun ammo at the sisters and no one dies? We don't have to wonder about how they'll pull off an escape or execute a plan, they just will. No one will die, it'll all work out perfectly. Isabella's switch was rather predictable, but the manner in which it occurred was extremely anticlimactic. Ratri was built up as this cartoonish villian who was pure evil and within one chapter he's running and crying for his life? What made TPN unique was the feeling of fear and dread you had every chapter when reading this. The mystery about what was life like outside the farm, were there other humans, what are the demons, why are kids being shipped off, who's William Minerva, etc. The demons seem like they were introduced and never really given any type of development. At this point I'm just reading to find out what the promise is and how the demon world will be like without the aristocracy/humans to eat. I'm truly disappointed in the decline of this series and I think the discussion threads for new chapters on all forums reflect that this isn't an uncommon opinion. The art was also extremely lacklustre in this chapter. |
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| It feels too convenient that he managed to escape such an extreme situation tbh |
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| It's so nice to know I'm not only one who can't see through this bullshit and cringe. Just end the story already, you're dragging it straight to hell. I think title is kinda ironic- PROMISED neverland. Promised epicness and mind games, but all we'really getting are cliches and deus ex machinas. So much for the wasted potential. Oh and btw, the story is so predictable, I'm calling it now- either Isabella or Norman are gonna die. Maybe both. My bet is Isabella gets shot by Ratri or smth like that mb saving Emma, and then she gets forgiveness from everyone. |
TheMangaManiacMar 9, 2020 5:20 AM
| Boring. Ratri is a joke of a villain. No stakes or threats at all. |
| Updated my journal |
| It's sad how much this series has downgraded in quality. That 1st arc was fantastic. |
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| What a disappointment ( |
| Sweet sweet Ratri tears but I smell another reverse uno card... |
| Why didn't the sisters or children just kill the dude in rage?! The series has become too child-friendly and stupid in a way, with all the "ropes used to keep good and bad guys hostage" thing, instead of killing them, which is the more convenient way, especially for the "bad guys". And now this. There was no way Ratri guy could escape from there! If he later ends up killing one of the characters, it will greatly affect the overall score i'm giving the series and i'll be VERY disappointed. |
| Oof Ratri's face at the last panel was a sight to see. |
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RealTheAbsurdist said: I don't understand; the characters can die. Sure, we know they'll most likely survive and succeed, but isn't that 99% of stories? Throughout Neverland, the tables constantly turn: one chapter the enemy has the upper hand, the next the main characters do. I think that makes the series really tense and exciting. It seems you're a bit confused here. it's not only about the deaths, but how believable their stakes are. Sure, not many stories in anime have plenty of deaths, but those that have them, execute their tragic moments greatly with only having around 2 - 5 characters on the main cast, where the death of one could change it all. That doesn't happen here, because there's simply no danger, we have tons of characters that barely contribute anything to the plot that could''ve died ages ago but they simply don't. At this point it feels like a Wizard is behind the kids strings because there's simply no fucking way that no one has died so far. IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A WAR (or at least, a large scale conflict that should be really dangerous, specially for... you know, kids...) an event like this without any deaths is beyond suspension of belief. Stop being delusional. |
| "We could make the world better, but it's easier to just shut our eyes." ~Blackwall |
| It's nice to see Isabella and the others finally stand up to the system that has put a stranglehold on all of them since the beginning. Emma seeing all the moms as their young selves Even after being surrounded by so many people with guns pointed at him, he still managed to slip away. It kind of made sense though since the more people there are, the more likely they'll shoot a couple of friendlies along with their intended target. He's getting desperate anyway so it wouldn't last too long until he gets cornered for real, hopefully. |
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AdolZeppeli said: RealTheAbsurdist said: I don't understand; the characters can die. Sure, we know they'll most likely survive and succeed, but isn't that 99% of stories? Throughout Neverland, the tables constantly turn: one chapter the enemy has the upper hand, the next the main characters do. I think that makes the series really tense and exciting. It seems you're a bit confused here. it's not only about the deaths, but how believable their stakes are. Sure, not many stories in anime have plenty of deaths, but those that have them, execute their tragic moments greatly with only having around 2 - 5 characters on the main cast, where the death of one could change it all. That doesn't happen here, because there's simply no danger, we have tons of characters that barely contribute anything to the plot that could''ve died ages ago but they simply don't. At this point it feels like a Wizard is behind the kids strings because there's simply no fucking way that no one has died so far. IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A WAR (or at least, a large scale conflict that should be really dangerous, specially for... you know, kids...) an event like this without any deaths is beyond suspension of belief. Stop being delusional. "but those that have them, execute their tragic moments greatly with only having around 2 - 5 characters on the main cast" Neverland did that with Yuugo and Lucas' deaths. I agree the stakes are kinda low, but I disagree that the kids have to die when we had quite a few remarkable deaths in the series. When were the kids at a war? The only "war" that happened in TPN was the Demon Capital Battle, and which didn't involve any humans because the demons were going against each other. I believe many "useless" characters are kept alive because the author wants to push the "all kids get to be free and live" narrative. I don't think that's a bad thing. People already got killed and hurt in the series, it's not like TPN hides that. They don't focus on it, but they made clear that the kids experienced hardships. |
SoManyRainbowsMay 8, 2020 6:34 AM
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SoManyRainbows said: "but those that have them, execute their tragic moments greatly with only having around 2 - 5 characters on the main cast" Neverland did that with Yuugo and Lucas' deaths. I agree the stakes are kinda low, but I disagree that the kids have to die when we had quite a few remarkable deaths in the series. When were the kids at a war? The only "war" that happened in TPN was the Demon Capital Battle, and which didn't involve any humans because the demons were going against each other. well, maybe dying isn't the correct term here, but the lack of consequences is unbelievable, there wasn't any consequences ever since Yugo and Lucas died, at this point It wouldn't surprise me if they end up alive like did. I did not say the kids were at war, but they're involving themselves in a large conflict against creatures that overpowers them, the sole thought of them not facing any danger or consequence due to it is incredibly low for a manga that at first wasn't shy of killing its characters or making them endure painful moments. The amount of tables turned in their favor is so ridiculous that the sole thought of defeat doesn't exist, even when this shitty excuse of a villain appeared, he never had the upper hand because there is a wizard behind the kids strings. Considering the world this series is put in, kids not dying or having any kind of consequence is impossible. |
| "We could make the world better, but it's easier to just shut our eyes." ~Blackwall |
AdolZeppeli said: well, maybe dying isn't the correct term here, but the lack of consequences is unbelievable, there wasn't any consequences ever since Yugo and Lucas died, at this point It wouldn't surprise me if they end up alive like did. I don't think this is correct because after Yuugo and Lucas died we did have more consequences. Chris was put in a coma and some minor kid characters died too. After that we saw Norman is dying, as well as the lambda kids, Barbara getting stabbed in her stomach and Cislo losing a leg. Sure, they aren't that big of a consequence, but they are there, it's not nonexistent. I did not say the kids were at war, but they're involving themselves in a large conflict against creatures that overpowers them, the sole thought of them not facing any danger or consequence due to it is incredibly low for a manga that at first wasn't shy of killing its characters or making them endure painful moments. The amount of tables turned in their favor is so ridiculous that the sole thought of defeat doesn't exist, even when this shitty excuse of a villain appeared, he never had the upper hand because there is a wizard behind the kids strings. Considering the world this series is put in, kids not dying or having any kind of consequence is impossible. I'm not fulling disagreeing with you because I do think the last few chapters really lacked consequences and everything went too smoothly, but it seems like But to say it completely lacks consequences is not correct, imo. I agree that the Gracefield Raid was too easy, though. But I do believe it's too early to judge the story now, considering Shirai planted the seeds for possible future consequences, aka Emma's reward. So I wasn't that unsatisfied with the GF Raid arc because the arc seems like it's telling you things will go wrong sooner or later. |
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Do you really think it's too early to judge the series? this manga have had over 170+ episodes and it has been dragging for quite a long time, it should have ended by now, but they keep adding shit and shit and more shit, ruining everything this manga successfully did with the 1st and Goldy Pond arc. Ever since Norman were still alive this series just went downhill. I don't think there's much left to be told, from what I've heard, things are going to be calmer from now on, and if they plan to add more shit, then fuck this series, I rather them finish it now with whatever plot holes it might left with than it becoming way worse than it is. I used to love this manga and I don't really want to hate it, but that's out of my control. |
| "We could make the world better, but it's easier to just shut our eyes." ~Blackwall |
AdolZeppeli said: Do you really think it's too early to judge the series? this manga have had over 170+ episodes and it has been dragging for quite a long time, it should have ended by now, but they keep adding shit and shit and more shit, ruining everything this manga successfully did with the 1st and Goldy Pond arc. I just think you're not seeing the full picture. In the case of TPN, I believe it needs to end before I can fully evaluate it, because the plot isn't over yet. There's a bit of more stuff to happen so if you think it's "dragging" then be ready for more. I simply can't understand how this series is "dragging" or "adding stuff" when it's simply resolving older plot points that were introduced many chapters ago. It's unreasonable to call this a drag. Maybe it you binge this manga again you'll be able to reevaluate it and realize that some aspects you're complaining will simply fade into distance. I did that and it highly changed my opinion on the series so I always recommend binging the last arc to everyone. |
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SoManyRainbows said: AdolZeppeli said: Do you really think it's too early to judge the series? this manga have had over 170+ episodes and it has been dragging for quite a long time, it should have ended by now, but they keep adding shit and shit and more shit, ruining everything this manga successfully did with the 1st and Goldy Pond arc. I just think you're not seeing the full picture. In the case of TPN, I believe it needs to end before I can fully evaluate it, because the plot isn't over yet. There's a bit of more stuff to happen so if you think it's "dragging" then be ready for more. I simply can't understand how this series is "dragging" or "adding stuff" when it's simply resolving older plot points that were introduced many chapters ago. It's unreasonable to call this a drag. Maybe it you binge this manga again you'll be able to reevaluate it and realize that some aspects you're complaining will simply fade into distance. I did that and it highly changed my opinion on the series so I always recommend binging the last arc to everyone. If by solving "older plot points" you mean reviving Lewis and ruin his character to force a plot device right at the conclusion of this arc, then you must be delusional. I've been binging these episodes because I forgot this exists (That bad this manga has become) so telling me to binge it again won't make me change my mind. I've also talked with a friend of mine who binged this final arc and she still hates what it has become. Most of the problems comes from Emma and her stupid and delusional idea where these creatures and humans coexists without the need of spilling blood, how Ray barely has any relevance to the story once Norman was brought back to the plot, how these kids have little to no effort at succeeding with their plan, how these kids are able to turn the tables out of their asses as if a wizard were pulling their strings, how one dimensional this arc's villain was, and what not. If you're telling me that by binging this again I won't see these flaws, I don't know what to tell you but believe you're delusional. |
| "We could make the world better, but it's easier to just shut our eyes." ~Blackwall |
AdolZeppeli said: If by solving "older plot points" you mean reviving Lewis and ruin his character to force a plot device right at the conclusion of this arc, then you must be delusional. I've been binging these episodes because I forgot this exists (That bad this manga has become) so telling me to binge it again won't make me change my mind. I've also talked with a friend of mine who binged this final arc and she still hates what it has become. Most of the problems comes from Emma and her stupid and delusional idea where these creatures and humans coexists without the need of spilling blood, how Ray barely has any relevance to the story once Norman was brought back to the plot, how these kids have little to no effort at succeeding with their plan, how these kids are able to turn the tables out of their asses as if a wizard were pulling their strings, how one dimensional this arc's villain was, and what not. If you're telling me that by binging this again I won't see these flaws, I don't know what to tell you but believe you're delusional. I see talking to you is just pointless now because you simply didn't get the story and characters at all. If you want my opinion you're the "delusional" one for thinking Emma is stupid. The manga is so freaking clear about her mindset. Emma didn't say that humans and demons had to coexist. At all. EMMA'S PLAN IS ABOUT ESCAPING TO THE HUMAN WORLD. She just prefer that plan over Norman's because it's better not killing anyone when you DON'T NEED TO. For freaking sake, this was explored during countless chapters in the manga. Btw I wasn't referring to Lewis. Honestly Lewis's comeback is such a minor event considering all the rest. I was referring to the reward, the return with Phil, all those things that were planted chapters ago. This isn't dragging, it's resolving plot points. There's a difference. I agree that Peter was one dimensional, I agree that the GF raid was too easy, I even agree that Ray lost the relevance of a main character, even though I couldn't care less about it. But the rest? They are problems that don't exist. That's how I see it all, you don't need to agree with me. But honestly I just think that's overreacting and not truly seeing the story as it is due to lack of paying attention to it. We didn't read the same manga. The only explanation I can find to your opinion of Emma is that you simply skipped the dialogue parts. Because I can't find other justification when her point of view was portrayed so crystal clear in the manga. TPN is a manga to read carefully and pay attention to the details. If you don't pay attention you miss an important character trait or important plot point and get confused. And then you form opinions about it that simply don't make sense. That is all. |
SoManyRainbowsMay 10, 2020 11:53 PM
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SoManyRainbows said: I see talking to you is just pointless now because you simply didn't get the story and characters at all. If you want my opinion you're delusional for thinking Emma is stupid. The manga is so freaking clear about her mindset. Emma didn't say that humans and demons had to coexist. At all. EMMA'S PLAN IS ABOUT ESCAPING TO THE HUMAN WORLD. She just prefer that plan over Norman's because it's better not killing anyone when you DON'T NEED TO. For freaking sake, this was explored during countless chapters in the manga. But if you don't pay attention to the own story then that's your problem. Btw I wasn't referring to Lewis. Honestly Lewis's comeback is such a minor event considering all the rest. I was referring to the reward, the return with Phil, all those things that were planted chapters ago. This isn't dragging, it's resolving plot points. Get it together and learn to differentiate the two. I agree that Peter was one dimensional, I agree that the GF raid was too easy, I even agree that Ray lost the relevance of a main character, even though I couldn't care less about it. But the rest? They are problems that don't exist. That's how I see it all, you don't need to agree with me. But honestly I just think that's overreacting and not truly seeing the story as it is due to lack of paying attention to it. We didn't read the same manga. The only explanation I can find to your opinion of Emma is that you simply skipped the dialogue parts. Because I can't find other justification when her point of view was portrayed so crystal clear in the manga. TPN is a manga to read carefully and pay attention to the details. If you don't pay attention you miss an important character trait or important plot point and get confused. And then you form opinions about it that simply don't make sense. That is all. It seems you don't realize how foolish it is to not kill these creatures, if it weren't because of how terribly managed the stakes were, I'm pretty sure someone as naive as Emma would have regretted that decision if most of the kids (or anyone close to her) ended up getting killed thanks to her (this comes in play that Wizard who is pulling the strings in favor of the kids). If it weren't because of Lewis random speech, pretty sure this would have fallen apart. It's not just about "escaping to the human world", but common sense, do you really think that humans will just forgive they have creatures who once consumed humans (that might end up consuming humans in the future anyway) right next to them? that's why I told you that Emma's stupid ideal is flawed, there's no way one side or another will be able to co-exist (or live in the same world) without conflict, that's just unreal and will never happen, unless you force plot conveniences, which, is what happened to this manga. It wouldn't be the first time I've witnessed any media where they forgive a race, who later on destroys that fake peace that was created, so I'm know what I'm talking about. Forget about "understanding" the story of TPN, because at this point the story is just delusional, giving hope of a world that will never happen through plot conveniences and a Disney happy finale. That's why it sucks. |
| "We could make the world better, but it's easier to just shut our eyes." ~Blackwall |
AdolZeppeli said: SoManyRainbows said: I see talking to you is just pointless now because you simply didn't get the story and characters at all. If you want my opinion you're delusional for thinking Emma is stupid. The manga is so freaking clear about her mindset. Emma didn't say that humans and demons had to coexist. At all. EMMA'S PLAN IS ABOUT ESCAPING TO THE HUMAN WORLD. She just prefer that plan over Norman's because it's better not killing anyone when you DON'T NEED TO. For freaking sake, this was explored during countless chapters in the manga. But if you don't pay attention to the own story then that's your problem. Btw I wasn't referring to Lewis. Honestly Lewis's comeback is such a minor event considering all the rest. I was referring to the reward, the return with Phil, all those things that were planted chapters ago. This isn't dragging, it's resolving plot points. Get it together and learn to differentiate the two. I agree that Peter was one dimensional, I agree that the GF raid was too easy, I even agree that Ray lost the relevance of a main character, even though I couldn't care less about it. But the rest? They are problems that don't exist. That's how I see it all, you don't need to agree with me. But honestly I just think that's overreacting and not truly seeing the story as it is due to lack of paying attention to it. We didn't read the same manga. The only explanation I can find to your opinion of Emma is that you simply skipped the dialogue parts. Because I can't find other justification when her point of view was portrayed so crystal clear in the manga. TPN is a manga to read carefully and pay attention to the details. If you don't pay attention you miss an important character trait or important plot point and get confused. And then you form opinions about it that simply don't make sense. That is all. It seems you don't realize how foolish it is to not kill these creatures, if it weren't because of how terribly managed the stakes were, I'm pretty sure someone as naive as Emma would have regretted that decision if most of the kids (or anyone close to her) ended up getting killed thanks to her (this comes in play that Wizard who is pulling the strings in favor of the kids). If it weren't because of Lewis random speech, pretty sure this would have fallen apart. It's not just about "escaping to the human world", but common sense, do you really think that humans will just forgive they have creatures who once consumed humans (that might end up consuming humans in the future anyway) right next to them? that's why I told you that Emma's stupid ideal is flawed, there's no way one side or another will be able to co-exist (or live in the same world) without conflict, that's just unreal and will never happen, unless you force plot conveniences, which, is what happened to this manga. It wouldn't be the first time I've witnessed any media where they forgive a race, who later on destroys that fake peace that was created, so I'm know what I'm talking about. Forget about "understanding" the story of TPN, because at this point the story is just delusional, giving hope of a world that will never happen through plot conveniences and a Disney happy finale. That's why it sucks. It seems like you completely ignored my last reply. It's like you didn't read the manga. I'll say it again: EMMA'S PROMISE DOES NOT INVOLVE COEXISTING WITH THE DEMONS. She said it pretty clear in the promise: All cattle children will be able to escape to the human world. AND, AFTER THAT, NO ONE WILL BE ABLE TO CROSS BETWEEN WORLDS ANYMORE. Honestly it's simply foolish to kill all demons when you have this option to escape and block the path between the worlds. In addition, entering in war to genocide all demons would cause many more casualties than escaping and just handling with the demons from the farms The promise isn't plot convenience because tpn is a fantasy series. The way that world came to be would be revealed sooner or later and the promise is just an aspect of that fantasy world. We don't know anything about the human world either, and it even was foreshadowed that the kids might deal with difficulties. And it would be even dumber for the humans from the human world to cross the bridge again and kill the demons just because it "isn't fair to forgive them". And, again,that won't be possible due to Emma's promise that blocks the bridge between worlds. So that breaks your argument that "the demons would attack again" because they simply won't be able to, due to the promise. You see why I have reason to think you're not reading this manga with attention, now? |
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| @SoManyRainbows As if the promise is absolute, I ask you then, what happened to the last promise? I don't think it's going to last forever nor I believe that a single promise is able to ensure fully that each side (out of curiosity maybe) will never attempt to go to the other side, unless it's magically closed by an unmovable door. It's called suspension of disbelief. Even if it's justified by the plot, doesn't mean it's good or flawless, get it through your thick skull and leave us alone, you are here trying to convince everyone that we're in the wrong, the manga has become underwhelming and the direction it has taken sucks. Period. Either the author makes a plot twist that's worth all this fuckery or may this manga burn in the depts of hell forever. |
CrimsonWandererMay 10, 2020 4:50 PM
| "We could make the world better, but it's easier to just shut our eyes." ~Blackwall |
| @AdolZeppeli Now wait a moment, I'm not trying to convince anyone here. I'm just showing you the aspects that answer your complaints and questions. Now you're saying here that "the series sucks and that's absolute" when it's only your opinion. If you want us to leave you alone then leave the people who are enjoying it alone and stop saying that your personal opinions are what is correct. By the way I never, ever said here that the series is flawless. I even agreed with you in some negative points. Now, just because smth has flaws does that mean that's impossible to enjoy it? Of course not. Take a look at the countless series that are much much worse than tpn yet they're extremely popular and enjoyable to many. Likeability is subjective so you shouldn't say that people should dislike tpn as much as you since it varies for everyone. So y'all stop trying to force your opinions like they're facts down our throats and let people enjoy their stuff. |
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SoManyRainbows said: @AdolZeppeli Now wait a moment, I'm not trying to convince anyone here. I'm just showing you the aspects that answer your complaints and questions. Now you're saying here that "the series sucks and that's absolute" when it's only your opinion. If you want us to leave you alone then leave the people who are enjoying it alone and stop saying that your personal opinions are what is correct. Notice how you just avoided my first paragraph and took the convo into something else. Also, I'm not the only one here who dislikes the direction this series has taken, there are several of us who thinks that TPN manga has become lackluster. Also, speak for yourself, because you're the one acting like your opinion is absolute, by telling me that "I'm not paying attention to the plot details" and what not. I've also seen you in other chapter forums, baffled about how people in the forums are "missing the point", having some arguments with other fans like me who are disappointed with the manga. Now, just because smth has flaws does that mean that's impossible to enjoy it? Of course not. Not in the case of TPN, all these issues almost ruins everything from what once was one of my all time favorite manga, a manga that had mental games on it, amazing plot twists, exciting villains and antagonist, great characters, consequences, the feeling of danger and many other great things. I used to like Emma you know? She seemed noble at first, but ever since Goldy Pond, her character became insufferable, delusional and pathethic, even worse when Norman was revived. Have you ever experienced something mindblowing that you like a lot, be ruined by poor decisions? I've been through that many times and it hurts me a lot how terrible this manga has become. So y'all stop trying to force your opinions like they're facts down our throats and let people enjoy their stuff. Aren't you being a big hypocrite here? You're the one who came at me first trying to prove that this manga ins't bad, and then you play the victim as if I was trying to hinder your own enjoyment. You attacked, I defended myself, end of the story. |
| "We could make the world better, but it's easier to just shut our eyes." ~Blackwall |
| @AdolZeppeli OOH, how funny that you are accusing ME of what YOU are doing. I'm not forcing anything I've commented down your throat, you can agree with me or not. I didn't say "you're delusional for thinking this is bad." No. YOU called me delusional a thousand times because I didn't agree with you. Speak for yourself, your arrogant hypocrite, for calling me of the things you're doing yourself. I never lacked respect to you or to that other commenter in the other forum discussion. Not even once. I replied because this is a forum discussion, I can reply and counter whatever anyone says here. Just like you did first to someone who commented here. And you even called them delusional because How dare them like this series am I right? It was YOU who attacked first, replying to that other person. I tried reasoning with you, showing why some people like it, but all you did was insist on your opinion and even lacking respect towards me, calling me of things I'm not. Guess you simply don't have enough intelligence to hold a healthy discussion. Who dares thinking differently from you am I right? I didn't reply to your first paragraph because you were just reaching. No matter what I say or how I view it it won't change your opinon and you'll always find a way to contour what I said or completely ignore it, and then proceed to call me delusional, arrogant and hypocrite for no reason at all. It only shows that idiotic people like you shouldn't be wasted time with. If you can't keep a discussion without ramdonly cursing a stranger, then it just shows your lack of brain and maturity. |
SoManyRainbowsMay 10, 2020 10:44 PM
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| You said "not in the case of TPN." Well, I did enjoy it despite the flaws.Then, what do you say, know-all? That I'm "wrong" and delusional for liking it? I'm not the only one who enjoys TPN either. Then are we wrong because it doesn't match your opinion? People like you make me sick. But I truly hope you get it together and grow up, man. |
SoManyRainbowsMay 10, 2020 10:31 PM
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| @SoManyRainbows Yeah, I did, because I was pointing that his statement about "isn't that 99% of the stories" is flawed and doesn't really excuse the lack of consequences and the unbelievable stakes this manga has. He's wrong because he can't see how bad this is for a manga who at first, wasn't shy of making their characters walk through danger and risky situations, feeding it with despair and what not. That simply doesn't exist anymore as everything seems to be going way too smoothly to be true, specially for the naive mindset Emma has. This doesn't have to rely on deaths, but at least, make the plot armor not that obvious. You even agreed on most of my negative points, but you simply disregard them because you "understand" Emma's mindset and how the "story" is going, and that alone is enough for you to enjoy it, which, is good, but it can't justify other's people take on this series. To me, RealTheAbsurdist is delusional because you can't really excuse something being bad because "99% of the stories do this", which is a very bad excuse. As for you, you didn't understand my complaints and thought that I wasn't paying attention to the story, when in reality, understanding where is it going is what makes me disappointed of it. Just try thinking outside of the box instead of justify it with what the story has told you or with excuses like "this is what this manga was building up for". Your suspension of disbelief might accept this, but not mine. It is really bad for a fantasy series if plot points have big holes where a simple "what if" shatters what this story has been building up to this point. Maybe telling you were delusional was harsh and I apologize for doing so, but if you're going to disregard plot points in favor of what you enjoy the most, then the conversation was over before it started. I'm glad you're able to enjoy something despite it's flaws, good for you, I really tried to keep liking this manga as much as I did at first, but I just can't. |
| "We could make the world better, but it's easier to just shut our eyes." ~Blackwall |
| @AdolZeppeli He's wrong because he can't see how bad this is for a manga who at fishy of making their characters walk through danger and risky situations You even agreed on most of my negative points, but you simply disregard them because you "understand" Emma's mindset and how the "story" is going, and that alone is enough for you to enjoy it, which, is good, but it can't justify other's people take on this series. To me, RealTheAbsurdist is delusional because you can't really excuse something being bad because "99% of the stories do this", which is a very bad excuse. I believe that, if every tpn reader was to think about flaws of the series they would agree on the same flaws, but "how bad" these flaws seem to be for each reader would vary. To some, the flaws impacted more, to others it impacted less. There's the objective part of this all, yes, which is "TPN's flaws are more prominent in the last arc". But, there's also a subjective part, which is "how bad" these flaws are perceived by each fan. So no, I don't think that commenter is "delusional" for thinking that way. I'm pretty sure that what they meant was that these types of flaws happen with many popular series out there and yet people enjoy it. Therefore, to them, tpn's flaws are smth very minor. And I kinda agree. Could be better, yes, but it doesn't make me stop liking the series. No series is perfect, it'll always have smth flawed, and to me tpn's flaws don't hinder my enjoyment. I don't think tpn's last arc is only built of downs, like some think. I believe it had its ups and downs. It had some meh things but it also had some pretty good things. At least that's how I see it all. Again, I don't think that thinking differently justify calling someone delusional. You can even think that they are, but I don't believe it's wise to call another person that just because of their point of view. It is really bad for a fantasy series if plot points have big holes where a simple "what if" shatters what this story has been building up to this point. I don't think I got what you mean here. Tpn build up to their plot points quite nicely imo. I liked the build up to the promise, to the Minerva reveal and to the demon society, to name a few. I don't think the problem is with the plot points themselves but with their execution, which feels rushed at times. I understood some of your complaints, but others I didn't because I didn't see it the same way you did. Maybe telling you were delusional was harsh and I apologize for doing so, but if you're going to disregard plot points in favor of what you enjoy the most, then the conversation was over before it started. I'm glad you're able to enjoy something despite it's flaws, good for you, I really tried to keep liking this manga as much as I did at first, but I just can't. It's ok, calling me delusional wasn't that big. What made me mad was when you called me hypocrite for no reason, because that's a really grave accusation towards someone. I'm sorry if I called you arrogant and hypocrite back, I didn't really mean it, it was a reaction of anger for being unfairly called smth so serious as that. But it's ok, I forgive you. I disregard some flaws because I really like this series, but it has also another reason. It's because the flaws don't impact me that much. They really are minor things to me because there were stuff in the recent arcs, and even in the most recent chapters, that I really enjoyed. So yeah, I'm going to favour these qualities. It's sad that you couldn't like this manga, but it can't be helped. Hope smth happens in the end of tpn that you might enjoy but, I'm not counting on it. I'm glad we can finally end this. |
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| What the! that was absurd! How can he still escape that. It's as if Ratri was surrounded by a bunch of monkeys holding a rifle. At least shoot his feet! Let's hope by next chapter, they will be able to catch Ratri. Because it's just far-feteched if he's still able to get away with that.🥱🥱 |
 She got him back. If you understand the characters well enough, you'd know she did! |
| Just kill Ratri already. What cute Mom's who have had to do terrible things. |
| After all the stuff she’s went through... After all the stuff she’s done... Isabelle is bad bitch and I respect the hell out of that! I want her, the sisters, and the children to gun down Peter like the RATri that he is! |
“You should enjoy the little detours to the fullest. Things more important then what your hunting for, could be right there on the side of the road.”  |
 IS this a joke? This is the worst chapter in all of PNL. |
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