Ren'Py Abandoned False Hero [v0.39.1 Beta] [Enyo Eerie]

Kitchentable · Sep 7, 2022

The forum is in full white knight mode again trying to save maidens
that didn't ask to be saved.

People that are able to pledge via paytroen have to be legally of sound mind.
Otherwise they would not have the means like credit card or an income
to spent money by pledging. That also means that those people
know what they are doing and do it out of their own free will.

So saying that they are getting milked, is you insulting them
by basically calling them stupid.

Seriously what do you think gives you the right to do any of that?!

So maybe go and help out for a day in your local animal shelter instead.

THAT would actually be meaningfull and even do some good.

Johnysilver771 · Sep 7, 2022

omnis23 said:
worst dev ever!

icstor and ttll say hello

teigrcymru · Sep 7, 2022

The very first street image is identical to a street a few minutes from where i was born, that's so crazy. Made me instantly give the charactors my accent.

yudge80 · Sep 7, 2022

Kitchentable said:
So saying that they are getting milked, is you insulting them
by basically calling them stupid.

no shit, Sherlock

Chimba · Sep 7, 2022

70 new pictures and almost finished event

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Resizer · Sep 7, 2022

Tudeckslore said:
This sums up my issues with ENYO, almost nobody would give a shit on how small or large the update is. Heck Ripples just updated and added a wopping 17 images and everyone was just like "oh ok cool". But the fact that you keep giving deadlines and moving it time and time again is what makes the community go against ENYO.

To be perfectly clear, pretty sure most of us doesnt hate ENYO's work, heck False Hero has some good fucking renders and is a pretty decent corruption game.
What we hate is ENYO's work ethics.

Thank you for coming to TedTalk, have a nice day ya perverts.

In order to accuse Enyo of a lack of work ethic, you must at least be his employer. You are not his boss, you are a consumer of his products. You have no right to lead him, set conditions for him or set deadlines for him. If you don't like something, take your $3 and don't visit his Patreon page again.

sfoMMA85 · Sep 7, 2022

I do like that Enyo_ is finally changing his game and starts updating frequently... not sure but maybe there is a light at the end of the tunnel. Its not a lot of content but at least it's content. And maybe this way he can start changing hs work ethics. Well at least I hope so. False Hero always had a lot of potential and I'd rather want to encourage Enyo to work on it then throw discouraging comments here, even though I also was disappointed quite a lot at times. Let's hope you finally learned from it all Enyo and good luck.

MyFirstPornAcc · Sep 7, 2022

I don't get you Enyo, you either slack for almost a year or you rush some content in two months. What about just chilling the fuck down and do it like everyone else and have the cycle like every other dev - 3 to 6 months per update? Like around 300/400 renders per update? If you managed to spit out 70 renders now in a month you could easily do the 300 per half a year and there would be no drama.

botc76 · Sep 7, 2022

Resizer said:
In order to accuse Enyo of a lack of work ethic, you must at least be his employer. You are not his boss, you are a consumer of his products. You have no right to lead him, set conditions for him or set deadlines for him. If you don't like something, take your $3 and don't visit his Patreon page again.

A white knight appeared!!
As usual, totally useless and completely unnecessary, but in gaming this species apparently just won't die.
Mind you, when I write "die" what I mean is wise up, stop with the ridiculous approach that you can't criticize the behaviour of a dev, with whatever ridiculous explanation they cook up (here it seems to be that not even patrons can complain, because they are not the employer of the dev!!! WTF!?? How do they come up with this stuff???).

Just a question to make clear how absurd that position is. If I see a guy doing something completely wrong, like crawling on the floor to look under skirts, am I only allowed to call out his wrong behaviour, if I employ the fuck?
Or isn't it my duty as a decent human being to call him out and even try to stop him?

And no, I don't mean you have to try to stop devs who have questionable work ethics or appear to milk their patrons, but of course you have the right to state your opinion that they do so.
And of course people can either agree with you or not, that's what's so great about freedom of speech, we all have that right.
I mean, if I wanted to completely embarrass myself by dreaming up ridiculous defences for devs, just because I like them or their game, I am free to do so, but I might earn the ridicule of many people.

omnis23 · Sep 7, 2022

MyFirstPornAcc said:
I don't get you Enyo, you either slack for almost a year or you rush some content in two months. What about just chilling the fuck down and do it like everyone else and have the cycle like every other dev - 3 to 6 months per update? Like around 300/400 renders per update? If you managed to spit out 70 renders now in a month you could easily do the 300 per half a year and there would be no drama.

He is losing patrons ( money ) so he has to give something, as little as possible, so he can be able to waste everyone's for another year....
That way he doesnt do any of the work and still receives money.... basically the way he has been doing for past couple of years...

botc76 · Sep 7, 2022

Resizer said:
For "milking" you need at least a cow willing to be milked.
If Enyo forced someone at gunpoint to pay him for his game, it would be called "robbery" and "extortion".
No one is forcing you to buy his game and play it, what are you complaining about?

Resizer said:
Enyo, don't make excuses, don't explain, and don't apologize to anyone - you create a beautiful, amazing game and you don't owe anything to anyone. If they want to join your art, they will wait as long as necessary, and then the same amount, if necessary.

Resizer said:
You so carefully explain your words, as if Enyo personally deceived you for millions, or an angry community of patrons deceived by him chose you personally as their official representative. If you are an indie developer, go develop indie games, why are you asserting yourself here in front of the public at the expense of other developers?

Resizer said:
In order to accuse Enyo of a lack of work ethic, you must at least be his employer. You are not his boss, you are a consumer of his products. You have no right to lead him, set conditions for him or set deadlines for him. If you don't like something, take your $3 and don't visit his Patreon page again.

Look, I have this really great bridge to sell. Not a scam!

omnis23 · Sep 7, 2022

botc76 said:
A white knight appeared!!
As usual, totally useless and completely unnecessary, but in gaming this species apparently just won't die.
Mind you, when I write "die" what I mean is wise up, stop with the ridiculous approach that you can't criticize the behaviour of a dev, with whatever ridiculous explanation they cook up (here it seems to be that not even patrons can complain, because they are not the employer of the dev!!! WTF!?? How do they come up with this stuff???).

Just a question to make clear how absurd that position is. If I see a guy doing something completely wrong, like crawling on the floor to look under skirts, am I only allowed to call out his wrong behaviour, if I employ the fuck?
Or isn't it my duty as a decent human being to call him out and even try to stop him?

And no, I don't mean you have to try to stop devs who have questionable work ethics or appear to milk their patrons, but of course you have the right to state your opinion that they do so.
And of course people can either agree with you or not, that's what's so great about freedom of speech, we all have that right.
I mean, if I wanted to completely embarrass myself by dreaming up ridiculous defences for devs, just because I like them or their game, I am free to do so, but I might earn the ridicule of many people.

All true and furthermore, patrons are paying devs in money. That basically means that they are employing him, providing dev with money in exchange for a service. And that service, in this case, is lacking....

Settum · Sep 7, 2022

omnis23 said:
All true and furthermore, patrons are paying devs in money. That basically means that they are employing him, providing dev with money in exchange for a service. And that service, in this case, is lacking....

Wow, never knew I had thousands of employees around me. I've been going to shops and paying for stuff since, forever, basically. I should talk to Bezos one of these days. I gave his company money a few times too, so, he's gotta be my employee, right?

yozara · Sep 7, 2022

When I started this game (around a year ago, I didn't go that far in the story) I noticed that almost every event are at the same time, so you have to skip through morning doing nothing, have an event at noon and skip through afternoon/evening til the next day and repeat, it could be interesting to not have all event with every girls at the same time of the day

Kitchentable · Sep 7, 2022

omnis23 said:
All true and furthermore, patrons are paying devs in money. That basically means that they are employing him, providing dev with money in exchange for a service. And that service, in this case, is lacking....

Do you know the difference between buying an actual product
or a service and betting money on a certain thing?

If you choose to support an AVN dev on paytreon you bet on
the dev creating and releasing some kind of content.

It's a risk. Same as with other investment like buying shares and
hoping their value will rise, giving money to a start-up in hope of them
being successfull and netting you a nice return for the money lend
or supporting some idea on kickstarter and hoping that their product
will reach marketability and you will get on send.

You do NOT buy a ready-made game nor do you commission the dev
to create an AVN for you.

And no offense mate but if you do not understand that difference
you better not spend your hard earned cash on paytreon.

kenneth.the.rodgers · Sep 7, 2022

Resizer said:
You so carefully explain your words, as if Enyo personally deceived you for millions, or an angry community of patrons deceived by him chose you personally as their official representative. If you are an indie developer, go develop indie games, why are you asserting yourself here in front of the public at the expense of other developers?

oof

metallicaphil · Sep 7, 2022

I like the renders and enjoyed the prologue. It's a shame its a sandbox, I really don't have the patience for sandbox games

elsanna_iduna · Sep 7, 2022

He is losing patrons ( money ) so he has to give something, as little as possible, so he can be able to waste everyone's for another year....
That way he doesnt do any of the work and still receives money.... basically the way he has been doing for past couple of years...

This right here. It's painfully obvious his intention is to make as much as possible while doing as little as possible. One just needs to look at his stated work and promises and then look at the results.

Now he is feeling some pressure and shitting out some laughably small updates.

Cabin Fever · Sep 7, 2022

Kitchentable said:
The forum is in full white knight mode again trying to save maidens
that didn't ask to be saved.

People that are able to pledge via paytroen have to be legally of sound mind.
Otherwise they would not have the means like credit card or an income
to spent money by pledging. That also means that those people
know what they are doing and do it out of their own free will.

So saying that they are getting milked, is you insulting them
by basically calling them stupid.

Seriously what do you think gives you the right to do any of that?!

So maybe go and help out for a day in your local animal shelter instead.

THAT would actually be meaningfull and even do some good.

I hate to break reality to you, but being legally of sound mind has never ever been necessary to have a credit card or an income.

There are many spoiled brats that got a credit card from mommy and daddy.

There are many crazy people that have made enough money to qualify for a credit card.

And then there are those that are "legally of sound mind" that have credit cards but were then driven crazy by some other factors.

Now having said that, the rest of your argument actually have some merit.

kenneth.the.rodgers · Sep 7, 2022

Cabin Fever said:
I hate to break reality to you, but being legally of sound mind has never ever been necessary to have a credit card or an income.

There are many spoiled brats that got a credit card from mommy and daddy.

There are many crazy people that have made enough money to qualify for a credit card.

And then there are those that are "legally of sound mind" that have credit cards but were then driven crazy by some other factors.

Now having said that, the rest of your argument actually have some merit.

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